US

New Visa Ban

An executive order by President Trump in late June has suspended a range of visas for skilled workers. We invited our panel to express their views on the potential impact of the visa ban on US leadership in science and innovation; on the attractiveness of US universities for foreign students; and on the location of corporate research facilities.

We asked the experts whether they agreed or disagreed with the following statements, and, if so, how strongly and with what degree of confidence:

a) Even if it is temporary, the ban on visas for skilled workers, including researchers, will weaken US leadership in STEM and R&D.

b) Significantly fewer top foreign students will be attracted to US universities as a result of increased restrictions on visas for skilled workers.

c) If increased restrictions on visas for skilled workers are made permanent, a noticeable share of research activities by US and foreign companies will move abroad.

All 43 US experts participated in this survey and the balance of opinion on the three statements are summarized below. More details on the experts’ views come through in the short comments that they are able to make when they participate in the survey.

US leadership in STEM and R&D

On the first statement about potential weakening of US leadership in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) and research and development (R&D), there is near unanimity. Weighted by each expert’s confidence in their response, 57% of the panel strongly agree, 42% agree, one expert is uncertain, and none disagree.

Among the comments by the overwhelming majority who agree or strongly agree, Larry Samuelson at Yale says: ‘The ability to attract talented workers and researchers from abroad is a great strength of the US economy, and should not be squandered.’ Daron Acemoglu at MIT adds: ‘The US technology sector and R&D, as well as academia, heavily depend on attracting foreign scientists and workers.’

Anil Kashyap at Chicago, who agrees with the statement, comments that he ‘can imagine the effect is small – for example, presidential campaign pressure leads both candidates to pledge to end the ban in January.’ But José Scheinkman at Columbia remains concerned: ‘Even if temporary, this measure creates additional uncertainty for skilled workers and for firms hiring these workers.’ So too is Robert Shimer at Chicago: ‘A temporary ban will permanently affect beliefs about the likelihood of such a ban in the future.

Robert Hall at Stanford, who states that he is uncertain, notes: ‘The US benefits from improved technology generated in the rest of the world, so US location may not be important.’ Steven Kaplan at Chicago, who agrees with the statement, argues: ‘Firms will hire employees anyway, but they will not be in the US.’

Pete Klenow at Stanford points to a study reviewing the US immigration policy environment that governs how skilled migrants move to America for employment-based purposes. It concludes that immigrants account for about a quarter of US invention and entrepreneurship despite a policy environment that is not well suited for these purposes.

Foreign students at US universities

On the second statement about whether increased restrictions on visas for skilled workers will deter top foreign students from applying to study at US universities, there is another strong majority in agreement. Again weighted by each expert’s confidence in their response, 66% of the panel strongly agree, 27% agree; 7% are uncertain, and none disagree.

Among the comments, Kenneth Judd at Stanford notes that: ‘Many come here because they want a chance to stay. We would suffer a big loss if we took that carrot away.’ José Scheinkman agrees: ‘One of the attractions of studying in the US has been the option of getting a job here after graduation.’ So too does Jonathan Levin at Stanford, adding a link to National Science Foundation data: ‘A large fraction of international students pursuing graduate study in the US desire to stay in the US.’

Eric Maskin at Harvard agrees with the statements but adds: ‘That fewer top students will be attracted sounds logical – but, of course, they may still come for other reasons.’ Daron Acemoglu responds: ‘Foreign students will come less if they feel unwelcome, which current policies achieve. The hassle and uncertainty factors exacerbate this.’ Larry Samuelson takes a similar view: ‘Universities thrive on a mix of people and ideas. Restrictions threaten this mix, making universities less attractive and less effective.’

Robert Shimer, who says that he is uncertain, is concerned about something else: ‘The bigger issue here are emerging (but unannounced) restrictions on Optional Practical Training. That would be devastating.’

Pete Klenow draws attention to analysis of a longitudinal survey of over 5,600 foreign and native STEM PhD students at US research universities, which examines entrepreneurial characteristics and career preferences prior to graduation, as well as founding and employment outcomes after graduation. Among other things, the research finds that foreign PhD students are more likely to express intentions to become a founder or a start-up employee prior to graduation.

Research facilities of US and foreign companies

On the third statement about the location decisions of companies about their research facilities if the increased restrictions on visas for skilled workers are made permanent, there is another strong majority in agreement. Weighted by each expert’s confidence in their response, 57% of the panel strongly agree, 38% agree; 6% are uncertain, and none disagree.

Among the comments of those panelists who agree or strongly agree, some are cautious: Eric Maskin says: ‘Again, the prediction sounds reasonable, but companies may stay in the US for other reasons.’ And Markus Brunnermeier at Princeton comments that: ‘US universities are still top and very attractive to most students.’

Robert Hall notes: ‘Not necessarily harmful from a global perspective.’ Richard Schmalensee at MIT adds: ‘I doubt the share would be large even in the medium term, but “noticeable”? Surely.’ Similarly, Anil Kashyap, who is uncertain, comments: ‘Direction is clear, not sure on the magnitude.’

Others are more concerned. Jonathan Levin remarks: ‘Companies have an incentive to locate R&D in areas with a highly skilled workforce.’ Larry Samuelson states: ‘Research naturally follows talented researches. Excluding the latter will push some research abroad.’

Kenneth Judd concurs: ‘Firms can now spread researchers across different countries. Pushing them out of the US will reduce the externalities of their presence.’ And Pete Klenow alerts us to research showing the positive impact of immigration on innovation, measured by the patenting of local firms, and on measures of local economic dynamism.

Some panelists express their concerns vividly. Daron Acemoglu says: ‘Won’t happen overnight, but hard to imagine how it wouldn’t. Evidence from anti-Jewish policies in Third Reich universities confirm this.’ José Scheinkman concludes: ‘China and Canada are likely to benefit’.

Robert Shimer adds: It will also be devastating for US universities. ‘And Christopher Udry at Northwestern warns: ‘Research – generating new ideas – is a global activity. This xenophobic administration is deconstructing institutions in which it flourished.’

All comments made by the experts are in the full survey results.

Romesh Vaitilingam
@econromesh
June 2020

 

Question A:

Even if it is temporary, the ban on visas for skilled workers, including researchers, will weaken US leadership in STEM and R&D.

Responses weighted by each expert's confidence

Question B:

Significantly fewer top foreign students will be attracted to US universities as a result of increased restrictions on visas for skilled workers.

Responses weighted by each expert's confidence

Question C:

If increased restrictions on visas for skilled workers are made permanent, a noticeable share of research activities by US and foreign companies will move abroad.

Responses weighted by each expert's confidence

Question A Participant Responses

Participant University Vote Confidence Bio/Vote History
Acemoglu
Daron Acemoglu
MIT
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
US technology sector and R&D, as well as academia, heavily depend on attracting foreign scientists and workers.
Altonji
Joseph Altonji
Yale
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Auerbach
Alan Auerbach
Berkeley
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Autor
David Autor
MIT
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Baicker
Katherine Baicker
University of Chicago
Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Banerjee
Abhijit Banerjee
MIT
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Bertrand
Marianne Bertrand
Chicago
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Brunnermeier
Markus Brunnermeier
Princeton
Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Chetty
Raj Chetty
Harvard
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Chevalier
Judith Chevalier
Yale
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Cutler
David Cutler
Harvard
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Deaton
Angus Deaton
Princeton
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Duffie
Darrell Duffie
Stanford
Strongly Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Edlin
Aaron Edlin
Berkeley
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Eichengreen
Barry Eichengreen
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Einav
Liran Einav
Stanford
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Fair
Ray Fair
Yale
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Finkelstein
Amy Finkelstein
MIT
Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Goldberg
Pinelopi Goldberg
Yale
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Goolsbee
Austan Goolsbee
Chicago
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
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Greenstone
Michael Greenstone
University of Chicago
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Hall
Robert Hall
Stanford
Uncertain
3
Bio/Vote History
The US benefits from improved technology generated in the rest of the world, so US location may not be important
Hart
Oliver Hart
Harvard
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Holmström
Bengt Holmström
MIT
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Hoxby
Caroline Hoxby
Stanford
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Hoynes
Hilary Hoynes
Berkeley
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Judd
Kenneth Judd
Stanford
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Kaplan
Steven Kaplan
Chicago Booth
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Firms will hire employees anyway, but they will not be in the U.S.
Kashyap
Anil Kashyap
Chicago Booth
Agree
1
Bio/Vote History
can imagine the effect is small, e.g. presidential campaign pressure leads both candidates to pledge to end the ban in January.
Klenow
Pete Klenow
Stanford
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Levin
Jonathan Levin
Stanford
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Maskin
Eric Maskin
Harvard
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Nordhaus
William Nordhaus
Yale
Strongly Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Obstfeld
Maurice Obstfeld
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Saez
Emmanuel Saez
Berkeley
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Samuelson
Larry Samuelson
Yale
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
The ability to attract talented workers and researchers from abroad is a great strengths of the US economy, and should not be squandered.
Scheinkman
José Scheinkman
Columbia University
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Even if temporary, this measure creates additional uncertainty for skilled workers and for firms hiring these workers.
Schmalensee
Richard Schmalensee
MIT
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Shapiro
Carl Shapiro
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Shimer
Robert Shimer
University of Chicago
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
A temporary ban will permanently effect beliefs about the likelihood of such a ban in the future.
Stock
James Stock
Harvard
Agree
4
Bio/Vote History
Thaler
Richard Thaler
Chicago Booth
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Udry
Christopher Udry
Northwestern
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History

Question B Participant Responses

Participant University Vote Confidence Bio/Vote History
Acemoglu
Daron Acemoglu
MIT
Strongly Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Foreign students will come less if they feel unwelcome, which current policies achieve. The hassle and uncertainty factors exacerbate this.
Altonji
Joseph Altonji
Yale
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Auerbach
Alan Auerbach
Berkeley
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Autor
David Autor
MIT
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Baicker
Katherine Baicker
University of Chicago
Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Banerjee
Abhijit Banerjee
MIT
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Bertrand
Marianne Bertrand
Chicago
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Brunnermeier
Markus Brunnermeier
Princeton
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Chetty
Raj Chetty
Harvard
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Chevalier
Judith Chevalier
Yale
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Cutler
David Cutler
Harvard
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Deaton
Angus Deaton
Princeton
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Duffie
Darrell Duffie
Stanford
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Edlin
Aaron Edlin
Berkeley
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Eichengreen
Barry Eichengreen
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Einav
Liran Einav
Stanford
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Fair
Ray Fair
Yale
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Finkelstein
Amy Finkelstein
MIT
Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Goldberg
Pinelopi Goldberg
Yale
Uncertain
9
Bio/Vote History
Goolsbee
Austan Goolsbee
Chicago
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
The stupidity is the point
Greenstone
Michael Greenstone
University of Chicago
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Hall
Robert Hall
Stanford
Uncertain
3
Bio/Vote History
I'm not aware that there is a threat to student visas
Hart
Oliver Hart
Harvard
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Holmström
Bengt Holmström
MIT
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Hoxby
Caroline Hoxby
Stanford
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Hoynes
Hilary Hoynes
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Judd
Kenneth Judd
Stanford
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Many come here because they want a chance to stay. We would suffer a big loss if we took that carrot away.
Kaplan
Steven Kaplan
Chicago Booth
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History
Isn't this already happening in applications?
Kashyap
Anil Kashyap
Chicago Booth
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Klenow
Pete Klenow
Stanford
Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Levin
Jonathan Levin
Stanford
Strongly Agree
4
Bio/Vote History
A large fraction of international students pursuing graduate study in the US desire to stay in the US.
-see background information here
Maskin
Eric Maskin
Harvard
Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
That fewer top students will be attracted sounds logical---but, of course, they may still come for other reasons
Nordhaus
William Nordhaus
Yale
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Obstfeld
Maurice Obstfeld
Berkeley
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Saez
Emmanuel Saez
Berkeley
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Samuelson
Larry Samuelson
Yale
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Universities thrive on a mix of people and ideas. Restrictions threaten this mix, making universities less attract and less effective.
Scheinkman
José Scheinkman
Columbia University
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
One of the attractions of studying in the US has been the option of getting a job here after graduation.
Schmalensee
Richard Schmalensee
MIT
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Shapiro
Carl Shapiro
Berkeley
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Shimer
Robert Shimer
University of Chicago
Uncertain
5
Bio/Vote History
The bigger issue here are emerging (but unannounced) restrictions on Optional Practical Training. That would be devastating
Stock
James Stock
Harvard
Uncertain
4
Bio/Vote History
Thaler
Richard Thaler
Chicago Booth
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Udry
Christopher Udry
Northwestern
Strongly Agree
9
Bio/Vote History

Question C Participant Responses

Participant University Vote Confidence Bio/Vote History
Acemoglu
Daron Acemoglu
MIT
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Won't happen overnight, but hard to imagine how it wouldn't. Evidence from anti-Jewish policies in Third Reich universities confirm this.
Altonji
Joseph Altonji
Yale
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Auerbach
Alan Auerbach
Berkeley
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Autor
David Autor
MIT
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Baicker
Katherine Baicker
University of Chicago
Uncertain
3
Bio/Vote History
Banerjee
Abhijit Banerjee
MIT
Agree
6
Bio/Vote History
Bertrand
Marianne Bertrand
Chicago
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Brunnermeier
Markus Brunnermeier
Princeton
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
US universities are still top and very attractive to most students.
Chetty
Raj Chetty
Harvard
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Chevalier
Judith Chevalier
Yale
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Cutler
David Cutler
Harvard
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Deaton
Angus Deaton
Princeton
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Duffie
Darrell Duffie
Stanford
Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Edlin
Aaron Edlin
Berkeley
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Eichengreen
Barry Eichengreen
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Einav
Liran Einav
Stanford
Strongly Agree
3
Bio/Vote History
Fair
Ray Fair
Yale
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Finkelstein
Amy Finkelstein
MIT
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Goldberg
Pinelopi Goldberg
Yale
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Goolsbee
Austan Goolsbee
Chicago
Strongly Agree
10
Bio/Vote History
Stupid is as stupid does, sir —Forrest, Forrest Gump
Greenstone
Michael Greenstone
University of Chicago
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Hall
Robert Hall
Stanford
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Not necessarily harmful from a global perspective
Hart
Oliver Hart
Harvard
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Holmström
Bengt Holmström
MIT
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Hoxby
Caroline Hoxby
Stanford
Uncertain
10
Bio/Vote History
Hoynes
Hilary Hoynes
Berkeley
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Judd
Kenneth Judd
Stanford
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Firms can now spread researchers across different countries. Pushing them out of the US will reduce the externalities of their presence.
Kaplan
Steven Kaplan
Chicago Booth
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Kashyap
Anil Kashyap
Chicago Booth
Uncertain
3
Bio/Vote History
direction is clear, not sure on the magnitude
Klenow
Pete Klenow
Stanford
Strongly Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Levin
Jonathan Levin
Stanford
Strongly Agree
4
Bio/Vote History
Companies have an incentive to locate R&D in areas with a highly skilled workforce.
Maskin
Eric Maskin
Harvard
Agree
4
Bio/Vote History
Again, the prediction sounds reasonable, but companies may stay in the US for other reasons.
Nordhaus
William Nordhaus
Yale
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Obstfeld
Maurice Obstfeld
Berkeley
Strongly Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Saez
Emmanuel Saez
Berkeley
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Samuelson
Larry Samuelson
Yale
Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Research naturally follows talented researches. Excluding the latter will push some research abroad.
Scheinkman
José Scheinkman
Columbia University
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
China and Canada are likely to benefit.
Schmalensee
Richard Schmalensee
MIT
Strongly Agree
4
Bio/Vote History
I doubt the share would be large even in the medium term, but "noticeable"? Surely.
Shapiro
Carl Shapiro
Berkeley
Agree
7
Bio/Vote History
Shimer
Robert Shimer
University of Chicago
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
It will also be devastating for US universities
Stock
James Stock
Harvard
Agree
5
Bio/Vote History
Thaler
Richard Thaler
Chicago Booth
Agree
4
Bio/Vote History
Udry
Christopher Udry
Northwestern
Strongly Agree
8
Bio/Vote History
Research - generating new ideas- is a global activity. This xenophobic administration is deconstructing institutions in which it flourished.